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Image Guidelines

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How about a section on image guidelines?--Fezz(Ryvius) 23:54, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT)

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Great idea; thanks. --Wizardryo 00:21, 10 Aug 2005 (PDT)

TVIV Support

  1. OK, we're knee deep in it now, and I'm wondering if the new users are aware of the fact that there are people who are more "in charge" than they are. I added better formatting tags to a page and the guy who made the page changed it to something equally wrong, changed it back and then deleted the tags. I put them back and added something to his talk page. Could we include information on formatting, authority and whatnot on a page that people see after they register? Perhaps a "welcome" email that lays it out? I was also thinking we should add a "support" section where people can ask questions we can all answer. Maybe start up a support gmail account or something. -aenematron 15:05, 13 Sep 2005 (EDT)
    1. I agree. Perhaps we can have a help desk like wikipedia? [1]

DVD Releases of Season Sets

It seems to me that it would be a good idea to have links from season pages to the corresponding DVD sets, if such a set exists. Either from another section in the article itself, in the season overview box in the top right part of the article, or both. I added such a section to Star Trek: Enterprise/Season One before realizing that it wasn't in the official recommendations. I'll leave it there until someone tells me that we shouldn't do this kind of thing.

A related idea would be to have links from individual episodes to the DVD sets that contain that episode, if any. This, however, is harder to track than the DVD releases themselves and the fact that there are a lot of shows that release both "Season" sets and "Best Of" sets (Family Guy, Futurama, Friends, The X-Files all come to mind) doesn't make this task any easier, so I don't know if it's worth the effort. In the long run, it probably is. -Dave Corder 22:05, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Interesting thoughts. We already link to the the DVD releases on the main page. The more cross webs we have the better. Check out the proposals link on the sidebar to talk it out. --Fezz(Ryvius) 22:43, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)

subst templates

Someone should put together some Templates for the various page types so that new pages can be created using {{subst:show}} or something like that.

Templates Link

I tried the link to list all templates but it didn't work for me (link copied from article here). I created the following link which works for me. (All Templates). Is it only me having trouble with the link? --Damien 04:27, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Fixed by Rachel thanks --Damien 03:47, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)

What do when symbols appear in titles?

Can someone clear up this issue for me? I attempted to link the episode Sports Night/The Hungry and the Hunted using an "&" instead of "and", because thiat is how the title was given in my DVD set. But the link didn't work, all my browser would display was "~/wiki/Sports_Night/The_Hungry_", which was, of course, a nonexistant article. In the case of Rescue Me/Season Two, an episode whose name should display as "&#!&" was autogenerated as "and!and". What can be done about this? --ReverendDave 17:32, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)

We've acknowledged this problem for a while now, but we can't seem to find a workaround for it: The character "&" doesn't display properly at all in URLs for some reason. We know that it should work, since Wikipedia does ampersands without a problem. --Wizardryo 13:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Can't you replace it with it's url escape character '%26' --Philoetus 08:00, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I dunno, this link, which you'll see in the edit window I entered as [[Sports_Night/The_Hungry_%26_the_Hunted|this link]] doesn't work for me, using Firefox 1.0, does it work for you? --ReverendDave 09:48, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)
The link works for me, it just points to a page which hasn't been created, can it be created?. --Philoetus 22:14, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Huh, that's weird. So when you visit the page via a link, it works. But if you enter this in your title bar - http://tviv.org/wiki/Sports_Night/The_Hungry_&_the_Hunted - it won't work. I suppose the odds of someone going directly to that episode are slim... can we get an ops opinion on what to do here? --ReverendDave 23:34, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I'm bringing this to CygnusTM's attention. Thanks for the sleuthing. As you can see, though, even manually typing in Law & Order into the Wikipedia URL works, so I'm not sure our problem is completely solved. --Wizardryo 01:41, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I've looked into this, and it looks like the only way to fix it is to run a patched version of Apache. Since we are on shared hosting, that's a problem. There is a small possibility that the version Dreamhost runs is patched. When I get a chance, I'll try out the .htaccess changes and see what happens. This isn't high on my priority list, because we have a much bigger problem.--CygnusTM 09:22, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I wrote and installed a small extension that should fix this problem. It's a bit hackish, but it should work for now. --error 05:14, 27 Oct 2005 (EDT)

How to delete articles?

Is there a way to either delete articles or mark them for delete so that a moderator can then review the page and decide to delete or not? --MateoP 19:32, 21 Oct 2005 (EDT)

  • Yes, use the delete template: Template:Delete. Make sure you mark why you want the page to be deleted though. --IndieRockLance 21:14, 21 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Plot Overview details?

I'm uncertain as to how to write the plot overviews for the episode. Should there be major spoilers. For example, if a major character dies near the end of an episode, should it be mentioned? Or should the overview be like the tv producers have it, just giving a glimpse of the episode with no major spoilers? Gflores 15:52, 21 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I write my plot overviews to be spoilers for the current episode only (not for any in the future). My perspective is that, should someone have missed this specific epsiode, they could read this to be caught up to date. However, I've also been trying to give a brief one or two line lead in at the top of the episode page that gives a spoilerless account of the episode.--Ape Agitator 00:25, 27 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Ape Agitator has the right idea. The plot overview should be aimed at people who have already seen the episode. After all, if someone hasn't seen the episode, why would they be looking at the episode page to begin with? It's completely counter-intuitive. What should be frowned upon, however, is the revealing of events that occur in future episodes. IE, no episode page should have a note in the Trivia column indicating that the episode marks so-and-so's final episode. It happens a lot over on TV.com and ruins a lot of the surprise. --Wizardryo 03:05, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

A few questions

I'm kinda new here and slowly figuring out how things work around here. I have a few questions, and this seems like the best place to ask, but if it's not feel free to point me in the right direction.

  1. On DVD pages, there's Disc Breakdown and Special Features sections. I'm a little confused, should the special features be listed under each disc its on under Disc Breakdown and list them under special features? Or is there something that determines whether it goes under breakdown or special features?
  2. Is there somewhere that explains what belongs in this wiki? Is there certain criteria for what goes here, or is it basically anything that originated on TV?
  3. Any chance that the Parser Functions will be added? That will do a lot for templates and allow multiple templates to be condensed into one.
  4. Is there an appropriate way to handle a character that has been in different series? A perfect example would be Scooby-Doo. It doesn't seem like it would make much sense for every Scooby-Doo show to have its own Scooby-Doo character page.
  5. On a somewhat similar note, is there any kind of previous/next show template for series? For shows such as Star Trek or the aforementioned Scooby-Doo where the shows follow each other.

That's all I can remember now, but I'll probably have more questions some other time. Thanx Joltman 12:56, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Basically, Disc Breakdown is a simple list of what is on each individual disc of a DVD set (including episodes, which episodes have commentaries if any, any special features or deleted scenes that my appear on the disc). The special features section is a more in-depth description of the features that were listed. The Buffy 7th Season DVD page is a good example of the preferred method, although I'm beginning to think "Overview" may be redundant since generally any information that would go in Overview would go at the top of the page.
As for Parser Functions, I believe it's being looked into since we're aware of how much redundancy there is in the templates. The previous/next show is a good idea that could be implemented, but at this point I think it would be a good idea to figure out variables in templates before something like that is added on.
We haven't come up with a concrete answer for characters that appear in multiple shows. There's been some talk of making centralized pages for certain franchises like Looney Tunes, where the character pages would go. But I'm honestly not sure how it would work. The way I did the page for Angel was that I only included information introduced in his spin-off series, with a link to his Buffy the Vampire Slayer character page for information on the character in that time period. But that wouldn't really work with characters that follow no stream-lined continuity like Scooby-Doo.
And you're basically right about what does and doesn't belong on the wiki. As long as it deals with television, then you're likely going to be in the right. If there are any specific questions as to what belongs and what doesn't, feel free to ask. We really ought to be writing out more specific guides anyway. --IndieRockLance 14:27, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Thanx for the reply. The one thing I was wondering about if it belongs here is Al TV, a series of specials that Weird Al does on MTV or VH1 whenever he releases a new album. Joltman 16:30, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Parser Functions should be up fairly soon; all we have to do is update to the latest Mediawiki release to get it up and going. --Wizardryo\talk 16:57, 3 January 2007 (EST)

I have some more questions, but some of it is stuff that I would like to start a discussion about as well. I'll just spit it all out here, and if anything needs to be moved, please do so or tell me what to do.

  1. Has there been any thought into forming projects or something similar? I'm thinking along the lines of a DVD project, a Program project, an Episodes project, etc. Each project would be the place that explains how it's particular topic is to be dealt with on the wiki, stuff like page formatting, what to call things, and it would also be a central place to discuss issues/questions relating to that topic.
  2. This one's a little hard to explain, so I'll start with the example. The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour was an hour show that featured two half-hour segments. Later, in syndication, those segments were split up, as The Scooby-Doo Show and Dynomutt, Dog Wonder. In this case, I see that the syndicated versions have their own articles in addition to the original version, is that the way it should be?
  3. I know it was mentioned before, but it doesn't seem like anything came of it, so I'll ask about it again. Should we have links on season and episode pages showing which DVD(s) those seasons/episodes are on?

I think that's it for now, but I'm sure I'll have others later. Joltman 14:14, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I want to make a couple more notes about my above questions.

  1. To give an example of what I was talking about, I did somewhat of a mockup at User:Joltman/Project:DVD. That page isn't perfect, but it's a good idea of what I was thinking of. Then, the talk page for it could be where we discuss things specific to DVDs.
  2. My point for this one was that if we do list the syndicated and original forms differently, we would have two entries for the same episodes and characters. Perhaps the syndicated version just gets an overview page that links to the original show(s), or it gets a normal page but all of the characters and episodes point to the original shows' pages.

Joltman 11:43, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Even though my last questions were never answered, I had another question that hopefully will. If a show is running in reruns nationally, like on a cable network, should that be lised under 'Airs' on the show's template? Joltman 13:43, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Missing Pages

Several pages are missing since the TV IV switched servers. For example, pages on Drake Bell and Josh Peck the stars of Drake & Josh are missing. I know they weren't deleted, at least they shouldn't have been. Please help!--Sportman 22:51, 27 January 2007 (EST)

The He & She page is missing. In fact, all pages with this symbol in the titles (&) are missing. Can you get them back, please?

New Sidebar

The new sidebar contains a ink to the iTunes Store. What does iTunes have to do with TV?--Sportman 18:36, 31 January 2007 (EST)

iTunes sells episodes of television shows, at least on the US site. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 19:23, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Any chance the search bars could be put back in the middle of the sidebar? It is annoying to have scroll to the bottom of the page to find the search bars.--Sportman 18:40, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Multiple unrelated episodes with the same name

Twice in the last week, I have come across two shows that had 2 episodes with the same name. The way I handled it was I made the second one 'Episode Title (2008)', basically disambiguating by the year. Does that sound good? I considered making it 'Episode Title 2', but that to me makes it sound like the episodes are related, which they aren't. -Joltman 08:23, 21 January 2008 (EST)

I can't think of anything better. —Naddy 11:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I know it doesn't have a page yet, but One Piece has two episodes called "The Great Escape". The two episodes aren't related, but the listings did call the second one "The Great Escape 2". Should I just use it for that? Matty 14:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Yea, if the listings called it that, I think that's OK. -Joltman 14:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Which version takes priority?

Okay, I've been writing the pages for Sonic X and Winx Club, but both shows are foreign shows that have been translated somewhat heavily. I'm just wondering, how should I do these guides? The episode titles are different in both versions of Sonic X, and Winx Club is even more different. Winx Club has three main versions: the original Italian version, the English dub done by the Italian animation company (whose episode titles weren't even direct translations of the Italian ones, even though the scripts and terminology are pretty much the same), and the American version by 4Kids Entertainment. Which titles should I use on the season pages? And how should I impliment them in the guides? I only have the US airdates for Winx Club, and can't find the Italian ones.

Is there a template for multiple episode titles on a page? And also, Winx Club and Sonic X had a few terminology and story changes, so which version should I write about on the pages? And what terminology should I use?

Also, for Sonic X, the "first" season in Japan was considered two seasons in the USA. Currently, the season pages are done like the Japanese version, but the story in the last of the first season is strikingly different from the first half. Is it fine the way it is now or should I split it into two?

Also, there is one more show I'd like to ask about before I even make its page: One Piece. Like Sonic X and Winx Club, One Piece was also severely edited by 4Kids Entertainment, but this time, it's like it's a different show. Episodes were cut, spliced, and merged. However, 4Kids only had the show for 143 Japanese (104 English) episodes. My friend and I were thinking - should we make different pages for the first two seasons of One Piece, one for the original version (which could also be for the FUNimation Entertainment version, which closely follows the original) and one for the 4Kids version? Matty 21:31, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

What you can do is have different season pages for different regions. And within the season pages, you can either have, say, the English episode name link to the Japanese episode (by using the Template:Eplt-alt and Template:Epdk-alt), or if it's different enough you can have them each have their own episodes. We have something similar to this at Crayon Shin-chan as an example. -Joltman 10:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Two things are the same

The Transformers Cybertron/Starscream article links to the episode of Transformers Cybertron called "Starscream", but Starscream is the name of a character in Transformers Cybertron. What should I do? Matty 01:53, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I would just differentiate the two (two centries, one Transformers Cybertron/Starscream (character) and one Transformers/Starscream (episode). Also, you might want to throw a disambiguation page in there, too, so when the search is performed, the user can choose which page they want to be sent to. --Lenonn 16:14, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Recurring/guest switching to regular

Many shows have two different sections for cast: one for regular, and one for recurring/guest stars. How should we handle an instance where an actor is a guest/recurring for some episodes in a season and then is made a regular? Also, what should we do if the opposite is true (a regular guests bumped down to recurring/guest status)? --Lenonn 16:14, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Boilerplates?

Since certain types of page (program, season, episode, etc.) are supposed to have a very consistent structure, is there some sort of cut-and-pastable (or {{subst:}}able) boilerplates to quickly get this structure in place when creating a new article? --Canuck81 15:16, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Reporting vandals

What do I do to report a vandal? 01:22, 10 March 2011 (EST) Matty 11:33, 5 April 2011 (EDT)