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The TV IV:Proposals/Images
From The TV IV
- General guidelines and suggestions regarding image use on the site.
Comments
- I know it's on the help page, but it seems most people probably don't look at that. Perhaps something on the upload file page? --Fezz(Ryvius) 23:52, 13 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Fair use images
- I've created the Template:fairuse as an initial step. I think we should be very careful to increase the number of images on the site with ambiguous copyright status. Ignoring this issue now will mean we will have a big problem in the future. In fact, wikipedia is having a massive problem with this as we speak. Check out Jimbo Wales's talk page there to see what I mean. To put it simply, it is not acceptable to have copyrighted images on this site. We can use some under fair use, but when we do a rationale should be given. I'm assuming we want to keep this site as legal as possible, so let's run with this!! Jacoplane 19:42, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
- Is there any precedent to suggest that what we're doing with these images is fair use? I mean, let's be honest here: practically every image on this site is copyrighted: all the screenshots, all the cast publicity shots, even the House logo currently on the Main Page is a copyrighted image. I think we fail the fair use test as I understand it, given that the images rarely add new information to the pages. Wikipedia has to deal with this problem because they are making a play to be considered an informational resource to rival traditional reference material. I don't think this site makes any such claim, so we can either a) ignore the problem, or b) let the sysops have an ability to delete all images from the site at the first sign of legal troubles. --ReverendDave 12:33, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
- For screenshots we're not really violating copyright since we're saying, "look, this is the episode we're talking about" and it comprises less than 10% of the work. Cast photos are a bit trickier, since that is the entirety of the image. BUT, those cast photos are generally distributed for publicity reasons (as in, most networks want people to use them) and it's not like we're selling them. Now, as for the logos... well, that gets into trademark territory, and that's a whole different beast. I don't even think there is fair use when it comes to trademarks. However, we're not using them with the intent to sell a product or deceive anyone into thinking we're an officially licensed product (it would be highly useful to state that we are completely independent somewhere on the front page, maybe), so it might not be a heavy violation. I do think the logos add important information, though, since again, they say, "this is what we're talking about." --Lampbane 13:53, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
- Does that 10% statistic come from an actual legal ruling? As far as I know, even when photos are put online for expressly promotional purposes, there's usually a disclaimer that says "no reproduction without permission." At the very least, we should dispense with the pretense on the Upload page that "I affirm that the copyright holder of this file agrees to license ..." because we know that they didn't, or we wouldn't need a template to affirm "fair use" in the first place! My real worry is this: a site like TV.com, which is owned by CNET, I'm willing to bet they paid some money and secured permission to show images. If and when this site ever becomes popular enough to rival TV.com for the hearts and minds of the world, these pictures (and our verbatim quoting from episodes) are a weakness that attack-lawyers can exploit. While a site that, for example, distributes .torrent files can claim deniability, saying "no copyrighted files pass through our hub, obey the law pls," we can't. --ReverendDave 14:51, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
- For screenshots we're not really violating copyright since we're saying, "look, this is the episode we're talking about" and it comprises less than 10% of the work. Cast photos are a bit trickier, since that is the entirety of the image. BUT, those cast photos are generally distributed for publicity reasons (as in, most networks want people to use them) and it's not like we're selling them. Now, as for the logos... well, that gets into trademark territory, and that's a whole different beast. I don't even think there is fair use when it comes to trademarks. However, we're not using them with the intent to sell a product or deceive anyone into thinking we're an officially licensed product (it would be highly useful to state that we are completely independent somewhere on the front page, maybe), so it might not be a heavy violation. I do think the logos add important information, though, since again, they say, "this is what we're talking about." --Lampbane 13:53, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
- Is there any precedent to suggest that what we're doing with these images is fair use? I mean, let's be honest here: practically every image on this site is copyrighted: all the screenshots, all the cast publicity shots, even the House logo currently on the Main Page is a copyrighted image. I think we fail the fair use test as I understand it, given that the images rarely add new information to the pages. Wikipedia has to deal with this problem because they are making a play to be considered an informational resource to rival traditional reference material. I don't think this site makes any such claim, so we can either a) ignore the problem, or b) let the sysops have an ability to delete all images from the site at the first sign of legal troubles. --ReverendDave 12:33, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
- I've already made Template:Logo for the network logos, and Template:GFDL for free content images. --Randall 09:12, 23 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Episode Screenshots
- Episode screenshots should keep cropping to a minimum. Black edges should be cropped, however, it is important that you keep the original aspect ratio of the show. It is fine to crop a little extra in order to increase details due to the limited 300 pixel maximum width. Just remember to keep the original aspect ratio of the show as not to confuse the viewer.
- Pick a shot that exhibits the overall theme of the episode best, or at least the most dynamic looking shot you can find. Try not to focus on one character in the show, give all characters an equal chance to show up in the episode screenshot.
- unsigned comments by User:Emp3r0r
- It's not necessary to resize your screenshots as mediawiki can do it for you, I find it best to just take a good screenshot and upload it. You can then put it at 300pix by adding |300px after the image name (eg image:image.jpg|300px) which will automatically resize the picture, and then you can click on the picture to see the full sized version and thus all details that you might wish to see. See for example House 2x01 Acceptance or House 2x02 Autopsy --Kash 10:52, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
- Is there any consensus on this? Note that the {{fairuse-screenshot}} template speaks of "the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots" (original emphasis). --Naddy 15:48, 5 March 2006 (EST)
you can use the site http://getvideoartwork.com/index.php to get good images
