Template talk:Yet to Air

Isn't this redundant with {{in development}}? --MateoP 16:47, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

While I see the distinction, I don't really see a need for it. Plus:

"This program has been ordered to series but has not yet aired so it is subject to changes including but not limited to recasting and title changes."

is a real clunky mouthful. I don't really see how that helps anything.

-- Lampbane 17:28, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

I agree with Lampbane. —Naddy 17:34, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

I'd prefer something like this:

"This series is in development. Many details are subject to change before its debut."

--Tv's emory 00:01, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

I don't have a problem with two separate templates, I'm just confused by what the distinction is. I take it then that In Development is for shows that haven't been picked up? Or how does that work? --MateoP 17:32, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

In Development was for shows still in the various stages of production -- as in, anywhere between concept approval and filming. "Yet to Air" could be for shows that have finished production but haven't aired yet, and that's the distinction, however, and this would be my problem with it - this is very transitory and would require updating the categories on a regular basis (the-jam, I take you're planning to do this, hmmm?) AND knowing when the show is ready-for-air. Which, for many shows, is not known to the public until just before it does air. That's why I don't like it. It has high potential for inaccuracy and creates more work. -- Lampbane 17:39, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

This is for shows that have been ordered to series and are going to be aired as opposed to shows that are just in the pilot stages of development. Generally a network or studio will put out a press release when they've ordered a series saying as much. I seperated them because their is a clear distinction between the two levels of development and a show at this point is generally not referred to as "in development" any more. At this level a show is pretty much garaunteed to air and is not subject to be cancelled at any time like the In Development template says. Whereas shows that are just being developed or are only shooting a pilot could be cancelled. The-jam 17:46, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

We really don't need the two templates. What we need to do is reword the In Development template in such a way that it covers both Unaired and In Development. --IndieRockLance 22:57, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

No I think we do need two templates the shows in this category are going to air the network has ordered them into full production whereas the shows in the other category are just in development and very well could be cancelled. Shows in the in development category will eventually be moved into the unaired pilot category, this category, or maybe a third "unproduced" category. There is clear distinction and they should be in different categories so people can see what new shows are coming in the next year or so seperate from the list of shows that have a good chance of not being made. A different name might work like "Ordered to Series" or "Upcoming Show" the name isn't important but the distinction is.The-jam 23:15, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Do we really need even more categories designed to diagram every possible stage of production? We have so many categories that it's bordering on absurd. At this rate we'll have Unproduced Pilot, Unsold Pilot, Unproduced, In Development, Upcoming Show, On Hiatus, Ended Series, Cancelled Series and probably others that I haven't thought of. And just because the show is being produced doesn't mean it won't get cancelled before it airs and never see the light of day. For instance, Welcome to the Neighborhood was pulled by ABC before it aired even though it was well into production. --IndieRockLance 23:59, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Okay, so we don't need all those other categories but this one in particular is very useful it's new shows that are set to air in the future but haven't yet it's the kind of list people like to go and look for. None of the other categories are all that useful as resources but upcoming shows is. Yes there is usually about one show a year where network executives decide to not air it, but they were at one point planning to air it they just cancelled it early. Just about every single one of the shows in this category will air at least one episode. You can't say that for the shows still in the in development category.The-jam 00:53, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

I still find the distinction labored and also hard to make in practice with rumor mills abounding. Case in point: our back-and-forth over the current status of Ice Planet. —Naddy 11:14, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Ice Planet has a press release from the production company saying they are making the show for syndication and also on that fan site linked there is a press release from a UK network saying they are going to air the show. A show doesn't move into this category until there is an official announcement saying the show has been ordered to series. This category is designed to seperate out the rumors from the facts. When a network orders a show they always put out a press release or make some other announcement saying they've done so. It's a pretty clear cut distinction.The-jam 11:51, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Completely not pertinent to the discussion, but now you've got me wondering: what the heck is an unproduced pilot? Isn't that the same as unproduced in general? Either way, it means something that was not made. -- Lampbane 10:53, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Not that this is a distinction we'd ever really have to make but one of the stages of development is ordering a pilot script. An unproduced pilot would be a show that made it to the pilot script stage but not the pilot production stage.The-jam 11:51, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Just to clarify some more most major TV news websites have a list just like this one (zap2it.com, thefutoncritic.com:unscheduled but ordered new this fall and new next year) they follow different conventions but serve the same purpose of showing what new shows are coming up because this is something people like to go and find out on the internet. Thefutoncritic breaks it down further and lists shows at all the various stages of development.The-jam 12:36, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

One way to prevent extra work, as this seems to be a concern of some, is to simply make the wording of {{in development}} vague enough that it could encompass shows that are in the Yet to Air phase, so that if no one got around to changing the template it wouldn't serve to confuse users. If someone wanted to change the template, so be it. --MateoP 13:27, 19 September 2006 (EDT)