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[edit] Hallmark Hall of Fame Article edit

"Opinionated wikilink."

Heh. JCaesar 19:33, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Aquaman

We need to coordinate. I'm willing to write a plot summary for Aquaman/Pilot. I don't know if you also intend to, but we shouldn't duplicate that work. —Naddy 18:11, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Witch Hunter Robin

It's not a bad show, but it starts off rather slow and can get frustrating (since the protagonists seem like such dicks). But if you hold on through the halfway point when they start revealing secrets and breaking from routine, it's a pretty decent and interesting ride. There's some good action sequences in there too. Overall, it's a quiet show that later explodes with good mythology. -- Lampbane 23:59, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Fall Grid

For the American grids as the shows start they are placed in the Current Grid (USA). If a show gets cancelled real quick they are removed from the the current grid but not the Fall grid page because once the season starts the Fall Grid 2006 (USA) will become the historical Fall grid and all the future grid information will be moved to a new Winter Grid 2006 (USA) page (will probably do this sometime in October when the vast majority of shows have premiered). This process will be repeated in the Spring. Not sure how television works in Mexico or if they have specific set times when new shows premiere and schedules change. If not this system my not be the best, but if it's structured similar to US TV this system seems to be the best for accuracy, historical record, and ease of use as a reference.The-jam 21:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Only those that start the season are preserved unless it was a prescheduled change like what FOX is doing with Duets and The OC this Fall. There isn't really a need to preserve the fact that repeats of some random show aired at some time for a month before the winter schedule took effect. If someone wants to see how long shows lasted that season they can look at the dates on the show pages. The idea is to preserve the original schedule that the networks set-up for each quarter. One thing that could maybe use a change is time slot changes, sometimes networks will swap time slots a month or so into the season and this isn't preserved and it might be good to do so with double rows. I'll see what happens this season and might do that if necessary. I know FOX already plans to do so with House and Standoff after the baseball playoffs.The-jam 22:25, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

To answer your question about Emily's Reasons Why Not. It premiered in early January (we hadn't started the current system of including premiere dates yet last Winter) was replaced by repeats of something possibly multiple things for a few weeks and then at the beginning of March was replaced by Supernanny as documented on the Spring 2006 Grid (USA) page. Not really any improtant information isn't documented especially if dates are included like we do now.The-jam 22:30, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Grammar

I fixed it, but you're still changing things you oughtn't be changing.

"It was a landmark in television, one of the most influential television shows of all time, all the more remarkable because it was quite unlike both its contemporaries and its successors and imitators."

Break that sentence out:

"It" = Subject "was" = Predicate verb "a landmark in television" = Subject complement (as the verb is copular) "one of the most influential shows of all time" = Parenthetical appositive, always surrounded by commas (if not parentheses, brackets or dashes) "[which was] all the more remarkable" = Non-restrictive relative dependent clause "because it was quite unlike both its contemporaries and its successors and imitators" = Causal dependent clause (of the non-restrictive relative dependent clause).

The mere fact that you inserted the implied relative pronoun and clausal predicate verb ("which is") should have told you that you had a dependent clause, and thus not an entirely new sentence. By inserting "and" between the phrases "a landmark in television" and "one of the most influential shows of all time," you made them both subject complements, which thus should not have been separated by commas. -- JCaesar^talk 18:15, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Grammar/Formatting Issues

Please stop referring to real-life people (actors, directors, etc.) by their first names. It's fine for some fictional characters, but to refer to, say, Perry Como as "Perry" as you do on The Perry Como Show page is generally considered improper, except in very rare instances. Technically, it's improper to do that for Elvis Presley, Conan O'Brien or even Jewel Kilcher, too, but those are three rare exceptions of people so well-known by their first names that nobody will fault you for it. Still, possibly barring those three and maybe one or two other extremely exceptional cases, you really oughtn't be doing it. It violates the rules of any writing style, particularly AP writing style, which is what it seems the Wiki is drifting towards, much thanks to Naddy.

Speaking of writing styles, as an FYI both for the Wiki and for the rest of your life, I'm guessing you're a high school senior or a college freshman, because you put two spaces after your periods, which is usually (not always, I grant you) a sign of someone using MLA style. (American business letter writers do it, too, but that's generally considered a writing style used by people who don't actually write all that much. It's also a writing style that is fading fast in the era of e-mails.) Just so you know, very few other commonly used writing styles do that. AP style puts one space after a period, and I've heard newspaper editors chew people out and call them all variety of names for putting two spaces after periods, as it causes massive problems for typesetters. HTML and VB code both ignore anything after one space, so using two spaces in any HTML-based language (such as Wiki) is pointless. It also slows down some people using some browsers when they're trying to speed their cursors through text, so it's both annoying and futile to put two spaces after a period. If you have any intention of writing anything else for the rest of your life, you'd be well-advised to break the bad habit that was unfortunately ground into you by an eighth-grade teacher who, quite honestly, wasn't teaching you writing skills which would be at all useful beyond the age of nineteen. -- JCaesar^talk 02:11, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

No, seriously, I wasn't kidding about the putting two spaces after a period thing. It's really pointless in HTML coding, and it's just a bad habit that's a relic of the typewriter era (now 25 years gone) which you would be well-served to try to break now, particularly if you have any interest in any job that involves a typesetter/layout designer at any stage. (Given the increasingly content-driven world, it's very likely that almost every job you could have in 10 years which involves any writing at all will fall into that category.) It's also kind of annoying when you're editing an open-source HTML document, because it accomplishes nothing except slowing down cursors. HTML-based languages read one space and that's it. Don't believe me?

The period at the end of this sentence will be followed by one space. The period at the end of this sentence will be followed by two spaces. The period at the end of this sentence will be followed by five spaces. The period at the end of this sentence will be followed by thirty spaces. Click edit to see if I'm lying.

I'm not riding you, I'm trying to help you and politely asking that you stop doing something which may annoy other editors. Thanks. -- JCaesar^talk 18:39, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

It's not about uniformity in the Wiki. It's about proper writing style on any HTML-based system.

I'd also like to ask that you make some sort of attempt to spell things properly, use proper capitalization, use proper grammar, use proper formatting and avoid typos. You're creating a lot of new pages, and hey, great. It's just a shame that they're riddled with typos and errors which one proofreading pass would have caught. ("A French woman movies to the U.S.")

I'm not going to say anything about including the optional comma before the "and" in lists of three or more. But French spacing is incorrect in most writing styles, and it's absolutely annoying in HTML coding of any kind. To make one last stab at proving it, I'm just going to hold down the space key until I feel like stopping now. What happens? Nothing, except anyone who would try to edit my text now would have more work to do. In two sentences, it does little damage. In a long entry, it's a royal pain in the ass. HTML encoders and magazine and newspaper editors are now desperately trying to break people of this very bad habit as a result.

I don't see how giving you a heads-up on what is becoming standard HTML encoding rules is "petty." Of course, ignoring that you've been told of a simple, minor change you can make to what you're doing to save work for others is petty, and makes you look like something of an ass. Just FYI. -- JCaesar^talk 19:01, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

I haven't made a policy. I've politely asked you to stop doing something.

To which your response is, "I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I'm going to keep doing it, because you're not the boss of me, no, you're not the boss of me, no, you're not the boss of me, no, and you're not so big."

I hope I can take back my assumption that you're a college freshman and assume you're 15 years old. Otherwise, that's a wonderful attitude, and you're going to go very far. -- JCaesar^talk 19:33, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Cite extension

The Cite extension is installed and working. --CygnusTM^talk 09:52, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Guest Stars

I would like to point out that the information found on TV.com is unreliable, so without even considering copyright issues, you should not blindly copy it. —Naddy 17:53, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Data itself cannot be copyrighted, but a particular collection, a database, can be. The exact rules appear to differ around the world. Anyway, for a primary source of guest star information, I suggest the credits in the show itself. IMDb is badly incomplete and mostly useless. Sometimes the press releases reproduced on thefutoncritic.com can be a source of information, but they also tend to have errors that are obvious if you've seen the show and that suspiciously look like purposely introduced. —Naddy 18:58, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

If it's a USA network show they have really good guest star lists on their website [1]. Go to the episode guide (under The Show tab) select the episode you want and click the link for cast and production information.-The-jam 01:13, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Note, though, that the cast info there doesn't always quite match the in-show credits. I don't know what to consider definitive in this case. —Naddy 07:22, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Ratings

I don't think it is legal to post actual ratings or viewership numbers as Nielsen copyrights all that data. That said I don't think Nielsen cares if they aren't being used in any sort of comparisons with other shows so posting them on individual show pages is probably not going to draw their interest but if it gets too prolific it might. Also at this point this site is too low traffic to draw their attention but if it gets bigger we might incur their rath. In general I'd say posting ratings is a bad idea.

As to what the numbers mean the first one is the household rating where each ratings point equals 1% of the total households with TV's in the country which for 2005-2006 was about 110 million and for 2006-2007 will be 111.4 million. The second number is the household share which is the percentage of TV's actually on at the time tuned to that show.-The-jam 17:54, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Venture Bros.

Thanks for the kind words. I just wanted to note that at some point I do plan on fully filling out the "Allusions and References" section. It's just that when I did it for the first season, it took a lot of time that I don't have right now (I don't do it half-assed). I'm going to stick with the most important information (plot) for now, and explain the pop culture/subtext stuff later. -- Lampbane 11:24, 12 September 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the welcoming kind words. I'll look over the featured show informaton. Thanks. -- MikeBriggs 13:13, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Starring Role Table =

How should the table look if there are more than 1 season? With each series on 1 line:

or on two lines:

MikeBriggs 14:27, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks again! Didn't realize there was a guest starring table until I went to David's page. Now I'll need to go back and find the information for Torres, DeWitt, and Livingston before I can finish creating pages for the Standoff actors. MikeBriggs 14:43, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Boredom

I will admit that I haven't spent as much time on the wiki lately as I would have liked. However, I am in no way "bored" with the site. It just that the wiki ranks behind my family in priority. When given a choice between working on the wiki and being my son's hockey coach and Cub Scout leader, guess which one wins?

As for your other comments, I stand behind what the others have already said, with one addition. Whatever pre-conceived notions you have about "wikietiquette or wiki philosophy" should be set aside. Just becuase we chose MediaWiki as the software for this site does not mean that we have subscribed to some utopian wiki philosophy. We just liked the features. --CygnusTM^talk 15:30, 25 September 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Review

As CygnusTM has helpfully explained, this is not Wikipedia. We are not some utopia of the Internet. We have no written rules. Without written rules, we have one unspoken rule: Don't be more trouble than you're worth.

The topic of discussion over the next 48 hours will be whether or not you have violated this rule. Nobody is denying you've made useful contributions. Nobody is denying you have been a massive headache for multiple admins, sysops and non-adminned users. The question we will be reviewing is: Which weighs more? I think you can guess where I stand.

If, after 48 hours, you are not allowed back, I will not be the one to pull the trigger. I will make sure that you know that this decision will have been made by others besides me. If, after 48 hours, you are allowed back, you will have one rule to follow: Stay the hell away from me. I don't want to see comments from you on my talk page. I certainly won't be leaving any on yours. I don't want to see you jumping into conversations I'm involved in that don't involve you. I won't be jumping into any of yours. I don't want to see you editing pages hours after I've started. If I've edited a page - I don't care if I edited one sentence - you will wait a minimum of 48 hours before you so much as add a comma to the page. Get out of my face, and I'll stay away from you.

Don't annoy me by pretending not to know what I'm talking about. You know what brought this on, and whether or not you agree that you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want, you will now be made to understand that others can and do have a say in that matter. Until you start paying CygnusTM's hosting bills, you are not in charge here, and when you're in someone else's house, you will respect the house rules. If your momma didn't teach you that, son, you're gonna learn it now. -- JCaesar^talk 19:26, 25 September 2006 (EDT)