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Contents 1 Thanks 2 Franchise 3 No 'move' on articles 4 Proposals 5 minieptable 6 Ed Helms 7 The Muppet Show 8 Masters of Science Fiction 9 Pilot Placement 10 Article moves 11 Sysop 12 What's On Calendar 13 Year Categories 14 Finale Dates 15 Hell's Kitchen Season 5 16 Battlestar Galactica - Razor 17 Beetlejuice episode list 18 blocking spammers 19 Criminal Intent 20 4Kids TV 21 American Gladiators 22 Another question about the 4Kids TV pages 23 Kids' WB! schedules 24 Cancelled show page 25 L&O UK 26 The CW4Kids 27 Schedule Template

[edit] Thanks

Hey, looks like you're doing a lot to helping out with the wiki, so I'd just like to extend a thank you for doing so! Especially thanking you for helping out with the backend of the wiki a little bit, since that is an aspect of the wiki that we're definitely trying to sort out completely. --Wizardryo\^talk 16:53, 3 January 2007 (EST)

No problem, I enjoy doing it! And since you say the Parser Functions will be up soon, then we can really start getting things going! Joltman 19:10, 3 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Franchise

Yes, I think it is a good idea. I meant to reply but I started fooling around with the Star Trek stuff and forgot all about it. DCEdwards1966 | Talk

[edit] No 'move' on articles

This is a deliberate restriction in response to the recent vandalism (also see this entry in the Blog column on the Main Page). You can use {{Move}} to request a page move by an admin. —Naddy 08:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

The sysops are currently debating whether this is the right policy, so this might change. Stay tuned. --CygnusTM^talk 15:48, 26 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Proposals

Hey, with your proposals, these are basically what we intended to do with them in the beginning, so feel free to play around with them on the live pages, particularly the program template, and see how it goes from there. The Proposals page should mainly be used for debatable topics, but no one can exactly debate against streamlining the wiki. I personally use Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a testground for new material, since it's a popular show that is no longer on the air and can be tested on without too much interference. After that, all proven backend things eventually end up on Lost, and then it kinda evolves from there. Thanks again for all your help with the wiki! --Wizardryo\^talk 10:21, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I have (temporarily) unprotected Template:Program. —Naddy 10:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Template:Season, too. —Naddy 13:15, 30 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] minieptable

I changed the way you added the minieptable stuff into the eptable templates. Quite often we have episode titles without dates which caused them to appear in minieptable form. In my implementation, if the first number field ({{2}}) is empty then the minieptable form is used. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 13:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] Ed Helms

This article says it's going to be for the remainder of the season I'd say it's cetain enough that moving him to the billed section makes sense. --The-jam 12:59, 12 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] The Muppet Show

Another editor is questioning some of the airdates you provided for The Muppet Show. Can you come here and explain where the airdates came from? Thanks. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 16:59, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Masters of Science Fiction

futoncritic DCEbot 09:28, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Pilot Placement

I disagree with listing pilot episodes/movies as part of the first season if they aired separately. We need to decide on a convention for this. —Naddy 11:09, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

My thought is that it doesn't really look right having one episode listed under Seasons. Besides that, I have always seen it like that, and I thought that was the way it was supposed to be handled. For the record, I meant to make the season number of episodes '6 + pilot' but forgot, if that makes a difference. -Joltman 11:11, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I don't think it makes sense to include a pilot as part of a season when it aired months or even a year earlier. I've used the same scheme for a number of shows (e.g. Intelligence, Red Cap, The Sarah Jane Adventures). I'm open to listing pilots under a separate heading such as "Telefilms" (cf. Babylon 5) or "Specials". I also think existing show pages that shove an earlier pilot into season one (e.g. Starsky and Hutch) should be changed, but I didn't press that point before. —Naddy 17:15, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I think it's just a little awkward to have a link to one episode under 'Seasons', but then having a season page just for one pilot wouldn't work either. But, I do see where you are coming from. Maybe if we came up with some kind of heading within the Seasons table for a pilot? I dunno. Either way, this is something that just me and you should talk about, we should move it somewhere that we'll get more people involved. -Joltman 20:00, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Okay, let's continue this at The_TV_IV:Proposals/Show_Pages#Pilot Placement. —Naddy 13:34, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Article moves

Regular users can now move articles. We'll try it out for a while and see if it is a problem. --CygnusTM^talk 09:15, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Sysop

Just noticed your recent upgrade to Sysop-- congratulations! Your additions to the wiki have been invaluable, and I know I'm not the only person who has appreciated them. --Wizardryo\^talk 05:27, 5 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] What's On Calendar

I started with info from thefutoncritic's calendar and then used TitanTV for some of the cable channels that futon doesn't cover. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 16:35, 26 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Year Categories

Hey, I just wanted to say how much I appreciated your stepping in yesterday and filling in year categories where I left off. I had figured I'd do a few as a test run, and if it got no response, I'd abandon the idea, but that you stepped in was precisely the rationalization I was looking for to keep going. I also appreciate you doing what I did: Going through the Program category and doing each program one by one. If you're looking to pick up this morning, I left off at "Black Scorpion," but whether or not you do, I appreciate all the help you can give.

I also notice you haven't voted in the IVy Awards Editors' Choice yet. I'd really love to get everybody's vote collected if I could. If you don't watch contemporary TV shows, then vote in the IVy Leagues Hall of Fame if you'd rather. Either way, thanks so much for all your help. It's greatly appreciated. -- JCaesar^talk 05:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)

To be honest, I hadn't given any special thought to separate treatment for movies, miniseries and specials. The only miniseries I know I've encountered thus far was Band of Brothers, which I treated like any other series, although you're right, that doesn't make a lot of sense. The only specials and movies I've seen thus far were associated with a TV show (the Alien Nation movies, for instance), and I just added year cats to them, as the decades had already been done on the larger series. As for annual "miniseries and specials" cats, that seems like a good, logical idea for me, and I'll do that on a going-forward basis and go back and populate those fields with shows I've already done once I've got the years and decades populated.

As for registering to vote, as an admin, you should already be registered. It's over at the admin forum. I'll double-check your permissions as soon as I send you this message, but I think you're all set.

Thanks a bunch again. -- JCaesar^talk 18:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Ah-hah. You're right. You weren't given permission on the admin forum. Probably just an oversight from when you were adminned. I fixed it, though. So you're all set. Thanks again. -- JCaesar^talk 18:16, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I created the "Miniseries and Specials" cats for the ones I remembered applied and populated them. I also got up through "Campus Ladies." -- JCaesar^talk 06:35, 1 March 2008 (EST)

For our purposes, yeah. I pretty much treat theatrical and DTV movies as specials in year cats. The only place that will cause some confusion is finale and premiere dates. It's kind of a common sense thing, but rarely will I treat a theatrical movie like a second finale date. So, for instance, Extras would have two finale dates (the series and the special), but Star Trek: The Original Series would just have the one (the date the final TV episode aired). Otherwise, yeah, because the limits are so narrow as to which theatrical movies and DTV films would be included on the Wiki (they're actually really narrow, as per a discussion on the admin forums), and because there are so few, I don't see the point of creating whole other categories for them in this case. -- JCaesar^talk 19:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Finale Dates

We need to decide how to deal with shows where a season has finished airing but no renewal has been announced yet. Here's my thinking: It is only renewals that are announced. If a show is not renewed, you never hear about it explicitly and can only infer eventually (when? after a year? two years?) that it has ended. That leaves a lot of dead and forgotten shows hanging around as "on hiatus". I think it makes more sense to assume that a show has finished unless and until it has explicitly been renewed, in which case an update is needed anyway. That's also the way I've handled it with non-US shows so far. —Naddy 12:58, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Hell's Kitchen Season 5

FOX ordered two editions which are likely to air back to back this summer. [1] --The-jam 12:24, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Battlestar Galactica - Razor

We had a discussion regarding two-hour episodes a while ago (I can't remember where) and decided that if a double length episode airs together with the same title and has the same credits for both parts that it counts as a single episode. Unless it is clearly listed in press releases as Parts 1 & 2 (like My Name Is Earl hour longs are and The 4400 two-hour premieres were). Sometimes it's a little gray since it's not always clear what the intention was but in the case of Razor it obviously was never meant to be split in two as it was designed to be a two-hour movie. I have no idea why thefutoncritic lists it as parts 1 & 2 that's the only place I've seen it described that way. The official website splits up Occupation/Precipe but not Razor. They did give it two production numbers but that's more an accounting/contract issue than an actual intention of a two part episode. The Lost season finales similarly are two hours long and listed as one episode on this site.

Looking a little closer The Office hour longs, at least from this season, maybe should be merged. The My Name Is Earl hour longs are always labeled Part 1 & Part 2 in the press releases/on the official site but The Office ones aren't. --The-jam 15:59, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Beetlejuice episode list

In answer to your question on the Beetlejuice episode list, I tallied all the airdates of the episodes on Fox (and ABC) upon watching them on their original screenings. I had the original airdates typed up as a hard copy in 1991-92 and since put it on a floppy.

The Fox episode airdates I listed are correct. The contributors of other sources (like TV.com) most likely did not see the original screenings and are basing their timeline on a standard 13-week 5-day-a-week run. But trust me--I watched it and recorded the airdate of every episode. And in February 1992, I actually had a phone conversation with Marty J. Isenberg (co-scripter of several episodes) who recommended the episode "Super Zeroes." He confirmed the staggered airings as well. --Ccook50

[edit] blocking spammers

Yeah all you have to do for the spammers is change the expiry time to infinite and put in a reason. --The-jam 10:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Criminal Intent

I don't watch the show just saw something that said the rest of the cast excluding Noth were expected to return and assumed she was part of that. --The-jam 14:00, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] 4Kids TV

Do you know how to make the schedule block thing longer? Because on September 3, 2005, a concert called "Hope Rocks" aired for two hours on 4Kids TV. Matty 23:22, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

That's okay. No problem, I just had to put my knowledge to use for something. Sadly, I'm at a standstill now - I didn't watch the Fox Box that much before Sonic X and Shaman King premiered, and I can't seem to find many old schedules online. Matty 18:21, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Scratch that, I have them all. Matty 18:21, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] American Gladiators

American Gladiators considered canceled --Davidscarter 23:57, 23 December 2008 (EST)

[edit] Another question about the 4Kids TV pages

Well, something has come to my attention. Technically, four new episodes of Yu-Gi-Oh! aired on 4Kids TV. They are "Into the Hornet's Nest" and "The Ultimate Great Moth", which aired November 25, 2006 and December 2, 2006. Kids' WB! actually aired these episodes beforehand, on October 20, 2001, however they fused them into one episode, "Into the Hornet's Nest". So on the Previous Schedules page for 4Kids TV, should there still be (repeats) next to those Yu-Gi-Oh! episodes? And what about the episode guide for Season One? How should I handle that?

(And by the way, the same goes for The Light at the End of the Tunnel and Winning Through Intimidation, which Kids' WB! called "Panik Attack". Their original 4Kids TV (and original USA) airdates were January 6, 2007 and January 13, 2007, and the fused version was February 2, 2002.) Matty 00:54, 26 December 2008 (EST)

[edit] Kids' WB! schedules

I started working on the Kids' WB!/Previous Schedules page, and I have a few questions.

First off, The JammX Kids All-Star Dance Specials originally aired on The WB's primetime slot. Does its Kids' WB! airing count as a "new timeslot for existing show" or "new network for existing show" since technically it's still The WB, but a different entity?

Second, for the special The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon, should I use the title "The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon" or just call it an episode of Pokémon because it is listed on the TV IV as a special episode of Pokémon? And should I count it as a new show or a new timeslot for an existing show?

Third, how will we put in the weekday lineup? Matty 02:10, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for answering my questions, but I am at another standstill. There is a show on Kids' WB! which has been known by different names. Its first season was known as The Cat&Birdy Warneroonie PinkyBrainy Big Cartoonie Show, but the second season was called The Cat&Bunny Warneroonie SuperLooney Big Cartoonie Show. Should I put it by whatever the season was called, or just call it The Big Cartoonie Show? Matty 02:47, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Well, I finished all the Saturday schedules. Now time for the weekday afternoons. However, how will we implement this? I know the last weekday schedule, the week from December 26-30 of 2005, had Pokémon at 3:00 PM and Transformers: Cybertron at 4:30 PM, but the 3:30 and 4:00 PM slots were each filled with a different show every day. Monday it was Johnny Test, Tuesday it was Xiaolin Showdown, Wednesday it was Viewtiful Joe, Thursday it was Coconut Fred's Fruit Salad Island, and Friday it was Loonatics Unleashed. How would I make a grid for that? Matty 20:28, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, but I have another one. This one is for cartoon compilation programs, such as The New Batman/Superman Adventures and The Big Cartoonie Show. Both of these are just made up of nothing but old material, though some new episodes of Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain aired as part of The Big Cartoonie Show. Should I count every episode of these as reruns, save for the Big Cartoonie Show episodes that had the new Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain episodes? Or should I just not put (repeats) at all because we are referring to the compilation itself and not its internal shows?

And also, the series finale of The Batman, known as "Lost Heroes" aired as a full hour segment, with no commercials or credits in between the two. But it was two seperate episodes. Should I count it as two episodes on the schedule or put a full hour block like we did with The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon and the Destiny Deoxys movie? (The Pokémon stuff was never really counted as seperate episodes, but a full special and movie.) Matty 23:52, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Well, I've done the Saturday morning schedule as accurately as I could. Now for the weekday schedule, I've proposed a grid I made in my sandbox. Would you like to take a look at the sample? It's in here. Matty 00:03, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks, glad you like it. I've implimented it into the site. Matty 11:29, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Okay, I've come to another standstill. Sometimes, Kids' WB! would pick a random Scooby-Doo show to air on weekdays, and while I know when Scooby-Doo aired on weekdays, I'm not sure exactly what Scooby-Doo show aired when. Should I try to track down the specifics or just call it Scooby-Doo? Matty

[edit] Cancelled show page

It depends on the situation. For the broadcast networks it's pretty much the season the show finishes airing in regardless of when the announcement is. For cable I usually put series on the page for the actual season they end in with the finale cut-off being late September. The exception being if the series ends in one season but isn't announced as cancelled until the next season then I put it on the new season's page (like The Middleman on this season's page). I think that puts the information in the place people are most likely looking for it.--The-jam 10:58, 25 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] L&O UK

While the on-screen credit for Wolf is for "original series creator," ehe press I've seen--e.g. [2], as well as IMDb--lists him as the creator of the UK version, and I've never seen any other names attached as creator.--Davidscarter 23:25, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

[edit] The CW4Kids

Hey, I got my internet back at school, but I have a few more questions.

1. On September 12, a Kirby: Right Back at Ya! movie known as Kirby: Fright to the Finish will air on The CW4Kids. This "movie" has never aired on TV in this format, however, it is merely a string of episodes that has been previously released on DVD as a movie. Should I just call it Kirby: Right Back at Ya! and a new timeslot? And should I call it a rerun since the episodes that made up the movie have all aired on TV?

2. This concerns Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. 4Kids is holding a promotion where viewers could go online and vote for their favorite TMNT 2003 episodes, and they are airing the top 10 in a "countdown" to a direct-to-TV movie, "Turtles Forever" (it's an actual movie, not a string of episodes). However, 4Kids will not reveal what episodes won on the listings until they air, so I'm not sure which ones are from the basic series, Fast Forward, or Back to the Sewer. Should I just call it "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" for the time being and wait until they reveal themselves before making more schedule blocks? And when the movie airs, do I just call it "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and a new timeslot with an extended block?

(And for the record, something similar happened on 4Kids TV in '07, from March 3-17, but it just so happened to be linear and with other changes in the schedule at that point.)

[edit] Schedule Template

There seems to be some sort of upper limit on function calls we're hitting on the main page due to how much new TV there is right now and it's causing most of the premiere schedule to not show the network logos (instead it just links to network). I created a schedule line template for the broadcast networks that only seeks through the broadcast logos and it seems to have fixed the problem so if you could use Template:Broadcast Schedule Line for the broadcast networks in the future that would be good. There's no change in the inputs it just doesn't have the full range of networks available.--The-jam 16:55, 7 October 2009 (EDT)