From The TV IV

Contents 1 Thanks 2 Franchise 3 No 'move' on articles 4 Proposals 5 minieptable 6 Ed Helms 7 The Muppet Show 8 Masters of Science Fiction 9 Pilot Placement 10 Article moves 11 Sysop 12 What's On Calendar 13 Year Categories 14 Finale Dates 15 Hell's Kitchen Season 5 16 Battlestar Galactica - Razor 17 Beetlejuice episode list 18 blocking spammers 19 Criminal Intent 20 4Kids TV

[edit] Thanks

Hey, looks like you're doing a lot to helping out with the wiki, so I'd just like to extend a thank you for doing so! Especially thanking you for helping out with the backend of the wiki a little bit, since that is an aspect of the wiki that we're definitely trying to sort out completely. --Wizardryo\^talk 16:53, 3 January 2007 (EST)

No problem, I enjoy doing it! And since you say the Parser Functions will be up soon, then we can really start getting things going! Joltman 19:10, 3 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Franchise

Yes, I think it is a good idea. I meant to reply but I started fooling around with the Star Trek stuff and forgot all about it. DCEdwards1966 | Talk

[edit] No 'move' on articles

This is a deliberate restriction in response to the recent vandalism (also see this entry in the Blog column on the Main Page). You can use {{Move}} to request a page move by an admin. —Naddy 08:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

The sysops are currently debating whether this is the right policy, so this might change. Stay tuned. --CygnusTM^talk 15:48, 26 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Proposals

Hey, with your proposals, these are basically what we intended to do with them in the beginning, so feel free to play around with them on the live pages, particularly the program template, and see how it goes from there. The Proposals page should mainly be used for debatable topics, but no one can exactly debate against streamlining the wiki. I personally use Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a testground for new material, since it's a popular show that is no longer on the air and can be tested on without too much interference. After that, all proven backend things eventually end up on Lost, and then it kinda evolves from there. Thanks again for all your help with the wiki! --Wizardryo\^talk 10:21, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I have (temporarily) unprotected Template:Program. —Naddy 10:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Template:Season, too. —Naddy 13:15, 30 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] minieptable

I changed the way you added the minieptable stuff into the eptable templates. Quite often we have episode titles without dates which caused them to appear in minieptable form. In my implementation, if the first number field ({{2}}) is empty then the minieptable form is used. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 13:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] Ed Helms

This article says it's going to be for the remainder of the season I'd say it's cetain enough that moving him to the billed section makes sense. --The-jam 12:59, 12 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] The Muppet Show

Another editor is questioning some of the airdates you provided for The Muppet Show. Can you come here and explain where the airdates came from? Thanks. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 16:59, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Masters of Science Fiction

futoncritic DCEbot 09:28, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Pilot Placement

I disagree with listing pilot episodes/movies as part of the first season if they aired separately. We need to decide on a convention for this. —Naddy 11:09, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

My thought is that it doesn't really look right having one episode listed under Seasons. Besides that, I have always seen it like that, and I thought that was the way it was supposed to be handled. For the record, I meant to make the season number of episodes '6 + pilot' but forgot, if that makes a difference. -Joltman 11:11, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I don't think it makes sense to include a pilot as part of a season when it aired months or even a year earlier. I've used the same scheme for a number of shows (e.g. Intelligence, Red Cap, The Sarah Jane Adventures). I'm open to listing pilots under a separate heading such as "Telefilms" (cf. Babylon 5) or "Specials". I also think existing show pages that shove an earlier pilot into season one (e.g. Starsky and Hutch) should be changed, but I didn't press that point before. —Naddy 17:15, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I think it's just a little awkward to have a link to one episode under 'Seasons', but then having a season page just for one pilot wouldn't work either. But, I do see where you are coming from. Maybe if we came up with some kind of heading within the Seasons table for a pilot? I dunno. Either way, this is something that just me and you should talk about, we should move it somewhere that we'll get more people involved. -Joltman 20:00, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Okay, let's continue this at The_TV_IV:Proposals/Show_Pages#Pilot Placement. —Naddy 13:34, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Article moves

Regular users can now move articles. We'll try it out for a while and see if it is a problem. --CygnusTM^talk 09:15, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Sysop

Just noticed your recent upgrade to Sysop-- congratulations! Your additions to the wiki have been invaluable, and I know I'm not the only person who has appreciated them. --Wizardryo\^talk 05:27, 5 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] What's On Calendar

I started with info from thefutoncritic's calendar and then used TitanTV for some of the cable channels that futon doesn't cover. DCEdwards1966 | Talk 16:35, 26 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Year Categories

Hey, I just wanted to say how much I appreciated your stepping in yesterday and filling in year categories where I left off. I had figured I'd do a few as a test run, and if it got no response, I'd abandon the idea, but that you stepped in was precisely the rationalization I was looking for to keep going. I also appreciate you doing what I did: Going through the Program category and doing each program one by one. If you're looking to pick up this morning, I left off at "Black Scorpion," but whether or not you do, I appreciate all the help you can give.

I also notice you haven't voted in the IVy Awards Editors' Choice yet. I'd really love to get everybody's vote collected if I could. If you don't watch contemporary TV shows, then vote in the IVy Leagues Hall of Fame if you'd rather. Either way, thanks so much for all your help. It's greatly appreciated. -- JCaesar^talk 05:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)

To be honest, I hadn't given any special thought to separate treatment for movies, miniseries and specials. The only miniseries I know I've encountered thus far was Band of Brothers, which I treated like any other series, although you're right, that doesn't make a lot of sense. The only specials and movies I've seen thus far were associated with a TV show (the Alien Nation movies, for instance), and I just added year cats to them, as the decades had already been done on the larger series. As for annual "miniseries and specials" cats, that seems like a good, logical idea for me, and I'll do that on a going-forward basis and go back and populate those fields with shows I've already done once I've got the years and decades populated.

As for registering to vote, as an admin, you should already be registered. It's over at the admin forum. I'll double-check your permissions as soon as I send you this message, but I think you're all set.

Thanks a bunch again. -- JCaesar^talk 18:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Ah-hah. You're right. You weren't given permission on the admin forum. Probably just an oversight from when you were adminned. I fixed it, though. So you're all set. Thanks again. -- JCaesar^talk 18:16, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I created the "Miniseries and Specials" cats for the ones I remembered applied and populated them. I also got up through "Campus Ladies." -- JCaesar^talk 06:35, 1 March 2008 (EST)

For our purposes, yeah. I pretty much treat theatrical and DTV movies as specials in year cats. The only place that will cause some confusion is finale and premiere dates. It's kind of a common sense thing, but rarely will I treat a theatrical movie like a second finale date. So, for instance, Extras would have two finale dates (the series and the special), but Star Trek: The Original Series would just have the one (the date the final TV episode aired). Otherwise, yeah, because the limits are so narrow as to which theatrical movies and DTV films would be included on the Wiki (they're actually really narrow, as per a discussion on the admin forums), and because there are so few, I don't see the point of creating whole other categories for them in this case. -- JCaesar^talk 19:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Finale Dates

We need to decide how to deal with shows where a season has finished airing but no renewal has been announced yet. Here's my thinking: It is only renewals that are announced. If a show is not renewed, you never hear about it explicitly and can only infer eventually (when? after a year? two years?) that it has ended. That leaves a lot of dead and forgotten shows hanging around as "on hiatus". I think it makes more sense to assume that a show has finished unless and until it has explicitly been renewed, in which case an update is needed anyway. That's also the way I've handled it with non-US shows so far. —Naddy 12:58, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Hell's Kitchen Season 5

FOX ordered two editions which are likely to air back to back this summer. [1] --The-jam 12:24, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Battlestar Galactica - Razor

We had a discussion regarding two-hour episodes a while ago (I can't remember where) and decided that if a double length episode airs together with the same title and has the same credits for both parts that it counts as a single episode. Unless it is clearly listed in press releases as Parts 1 & 2 (like My Name Is Earl hour longs are and The 4400 two-hour premieres were). Sometimes it's a little gray since it's not always clear what the intention was but in the case of Razor it obviously was never meant to be split in two as it was designed to be a two-hour movie. I have no idea why thefutoncritic lists it as parts 1 & 2 that's the only place I've seen it described that way. The official website splits up Occupation/Precipe but not Razor. They did give it two production numbers but that's more an accounting/contract issue than an actual intention of a two part episode. The Lost season finales similarly are two hours long and listed as one episode on this site.

Looking a little closer The Office hour longs, at least from this season, maybe should be merged. The My Name Is Earl hour longs are always labeled Part 1 & Part 2 in the press releases/on the official site but The Office ones aren't. --The-jam 15:59, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Beetlejuice episode list

In answer to your question on the Beetlejuice episode list, I tallied all the airdates of the episodes on Fox (and ABC) upon watching them on their original screenings. I had the original airdates typed up as a hard copy in 1991-92 and since put it on a floppy.

The Fox episode airdates I listed are correct. The contributors of other sources (like TV.com) most likely did not see the original screenings and are basing their timeline on a standard 13-week 5-day-a-week run. But trust me--I watched it and recorded the airdate of every episode. And in February 1992, I actually had a phone conversation with Marty J. Isenberg (co-scripter of several episodes) who recommended the episode "Super Zeroes." He confirmed the staggered airings as well. --Ccook50

[edit] blocking spammers

Yeah all you have to do for the spammers is change the expiry time to infinite and put in a reason. --The-jam 10:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Criminal Intent

I don't watch the show just saw something that said the rest of the cast excluding Noth were expected to return and assumed she was part of that. --The-jam 14:00, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] 4Kids TV

Do you know how to make the schedule block thing longer? Because on September 3, 2005, a concert called "Hope Rocks" aired for two hours on 4Kids TV. Matty 23:22, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

That's okay. No problem, I just had to put my knowledge to use for something. Sadly, I'm at a standstill now - I didn't watch the Fox Box that much before Sonic X and Shaman King premiered, and I can't seem to find many old schedules online. Matty 18:21, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Scratch that, I have them all. Matty 18:21, 22 September 2008 (EDT)