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[edit] Episode Titles in Quotations
I think there needs to be a little more discussion on this. I'm trying to get some semblance of standardization out there, and, in my opinion, not having something because of a few shows that would make sense for the majority of them is a little counterintuitive. It's an extremely minor fix, which is why I don't think it should be too much of a problem. Mr. Show only has 30 episodes that I or anyone can quickly go through with an alternate Mr. Show-specific template (I was under the impression that sketch comedies had a different episode template in the first place, but I guess not), and, for SNL, it can also have an alternate template. The millions of episodes don't all have to be changed right now, since no one is going to want to click on a random article from season seven anytime soon, for example. You, for example, can omit the Director listing and just turn it into a special mention on the season page since the director usually doesn't change midseason (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not up on my SNL trivia), and maybe tack on Guest Star/Special Guest Stars and Musical Guest in the infobox instead, since those would be more relevant to the show. Let me know what you think. --Wizardryo\talk 19:19, 31 December 2006 (EST)
[edit] Cleaning Out SNL Space
Nah, delete away. Now that I've helped build a nice scaffolding on the SNL episodes, I'm probably going to go back to other projects I was working on and just do the SNL stuff whenever I feel like it/get a chance. (Plus I've noticed you're pretty fast at getting on it. ;) ) Thanks to your help, if I ever think, "Oh, I wish I'd thought of this sooner," I'll just take care of it myself. Thanks a bunch! :) -- JCaesartalk 09:45, 7 January 2007 (EST)
[edit] Anime OAVs
Lots of direct-to-video/DVD movies are created here in the States, and later end up on TV, but we don't necessarily jump to include them here, just like with theatrical films. However, there is one exception, and that seems to be films like Serenity. Because it's a continuation of the television series Firefly, it's been given a page because of its close television connection. Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket wouldn't get a page if it was just a completely original, stand-alone property. But since it's part of the Gundam franchise, which is primarily a TV property, I would say include it, as a new series (since it had a different release).
As for series without any television connection, it's a bit sticky since FLCL is already in the system. I'll have to think about that one, but it's not an urgent issue right now. -- Lampbane 11:40, 26 February 2007 (EST)
[edit] SNL Eps
Hey, just saw your project page. That's very useful to me, and I appreciate you setting that up so I can keep track of what's been done on a real-time basis. I'm sure you've picked up on the fact that I'm filling in S1 thoroughly, and I will continue to do so as soon as it's done. (After this message, I'm getting to work on the Desi Arnaz episode.) I also have the Scarlett Johansson episode from S31 taking up space on my hard drive, and as soon as I get done with S1, I'll plug that in, too, unless you have a burning desire to do it yourself and were already planning to do so. You might want to double-check with GE Cafe's unused uploaded images through his contribs - he uploaded a bunch of bumper shots, some for bumpers which were already uploaded. It might help to compare those to ones we already have and decide whether or not to use his or go with our own. (I tried contacting him but have heard nothing back, so I don't know if he intended to do more and just quit or was just uploading what he had to try to be helpful.) Anyway, let me know if there's anything I can do to help out. -- JCaesartalk 17:57, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- Oy, gevalt, the specials. Truth be told, I was sort of hoping those would have been magically fixed by the Wiki Fairy before the S2 DVD's come out, assuming they include the "Live from Mardi Gras" special. Assuming no such Wiki Fairy pops up, let me know what I can do to help you sort that mess out. As for other things which need fixing, I'd intended to try to figure out some way to include Don Pardo and "The Saturday Night Live Band" as "Other Cast" or something in the cast credits. I'm also going through your edits (and I welcome - in fact hope - you'll go through mine if you choose) so we can coordinate and standardize our lists of recurring impressions and characters. I know we've talked in private about this, but so it's on the record here, I believe our agreement was we'd only include sketches or characters with three or more appearances. I've noticed TV parodies of long-running news and TV shows are a little hazier, but I'm trying to use as much common sense there as possible. For impressions, we'd include them in the event that at least one actor performed the impression as a lead character in a sketch three or more times, and only if the impression does not primarily appear within a recurring sketch (e.g.: Chris Matthews in "Hardball"). Former or current US presidents always get their own listings, which includes their First Spouses, Cabinet members, general election opponents and any "associates" who only appear in sketches featuring or referring to the president in question and who are famous or significant only for their relationship to said president. (Not something which would come up too terribly often, but I'm basically referring to special circumstances like, say, Monica Lewinsky or Linda Tripp for Bill Clinton.) In the event that a First Spouse, Cabinet member or general election opponent has one of those roles in two or more administrations, they are included with the president for whom they had the highest rank (President ranks First Lady, should that come up in 2009 - i.e., if Hillary Clinton is elected, she'll get her own page, with Bill cross-referenced to his own page from there; First Lady ranks Cabinet members; Cabinet members rank each other in order of line of presidential succession; Cabinet members rank general election opponents; general election opponents rank each other in chronological order, with earliest election coming first), and then the First Lady/Cabinet/general election opponents are cross-referenced in all subsequent administrations, again, listing only those persons who are portrayed at least three times by one individual. Let me know if you agree or if we should revisit some of these ideas. Thanks. -- JCaesartalk 19:38, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I agree 100% on the specials. Whenever you get brave enough to tackle the project, let me know and we can coordinate efforts. As for breaking out pages, I see your point about unwieldy Presidents, but there is also the problem of having an unwieldy "Recurring Sketches" page. The SNL Archives (which list all impressions, including one-off impressions done as cameos) have literally hundreds of impressions pages, plus hundreds more character and sketch pages, although their threshhold is two appearances for characters/sketches. Even excluding the one- or two-time impressions and two-time characters, we'd still be looking at a very long "Recurring Sketches" page, indeed. As much as possible, I'd like to collapse those with redirect pages set up to avoid confusion. By the by, I also disagree with some of their characterizations of what constitutes a "character." For instance, they include all uses of a certain name by an actor as a "character," even if the "character" has different accents/costumes/make-up and completely different roles from sketch to sketch. (e.g.: "Steve Bushakis" or "Mr. Bushakis" seems to be a name John Belushi sometimes used for random ethnic/loutish/criminal characters in sketches with very little connection between them, in much the same way Monty Python used to recycle names like "Arthur Jackson" and "Eric Praline." But the Archives all list that as one character, and they include his "first appearance," in which he was a clean-shaven criminal with Belushi's normal haircut and speaking voice in a modern-day prison, as well as his "second," in which he was a moustached, curly-haired, ethnic proprietor of a 1920s restaurant.) There may be a similar problem with "Terrell" and "Terrell's wife" in more modern SNL, although I don't know enough about the character to fairly judge. I contend, however, that there is a certain set of circumstances under which a character is defined, and name and actor alone are not enough. In other examples, we may need to work out some restrictions on impressions. For instance, when you filled in the sketch "State of the Galaxy," you did not link the George Q. Bush impression and Hillary Clintron impressions to G.W. Bush's and Clinton's respective impression pages, and I agree with your judgement. The SNL Archives, however, do not agree. Nonetheless, I removed references to that episode from the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush pages. (This exclusion would also mean that Brian Williams has not yet been portrayed three or more times by any one actor on SNL.) These are just examples off the top of my head of some of the sorts of issues we may want to go over in plugging in impressions and characters. -- JCaesartalk 21:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- P.S.: In regards to one of your other points, I'd also already intended to create separate pages for both the Saturday Night Live Band and the Not-Ready-for-Primetime Players as separate entities from the show, in the same way I created a page for Monty Python as separate from Monty Python's Flying Circus. -- JCaesartalk 21:38, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- Haha. Best of luck with S30. If ever I can get my hands on S6 or S10, maybe I'll have my own agony to match yours. Incidentally, have you given any thought to what sorts of guidelines we want to establish for what constitutes a "character"? I'm running into the problem with Sherry from S1. It was a name Newman used a lot; usually whenever she played a Valley Girl, in whatever context and in vastly different situations and roles, but sometimes just a name she needed to use to give a character a name when she had to give one. So should I count all uses of the name Sherry for a character played by Newman, all Valley Girl characters named Sherry, or just ignore the thing altogether? P.S.: Oh! I also see you've got Samurai Futaba as a character page you intend to create. If you've got your heart set on that, of course, be my guest, but as I'm doing S1 and have a picture all saved for the character and have already filled in several appearances by him, would you rather I take on that one? -- JCaesartalk 15:08, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- I really like your guideline of whether or not the sketch specifically calls for a character, and I think I'll run with that. So Sherry is not a character, nor is Skeeter. Out of curiosity (having never seen sketches featuring either of these characters, myself), would Amber or Terrell and his wife qualify? Amber at least always appears on reality shows; and Terrell seems to be a random audience member for monologues, but I don't know how heavily they're used for the sketches. If it's not a big deal, I can take down the Amber page. It's not like it's brimming with great info, anyway. Incidentally, I think we can use a similar guideline for recurring sketches, particularly TV show parodies. Something like requiring that the sketch have some sort of basic format or hook and recurring characters, which would allow things like Looks at Books or Hardball or The MacLachlan Group whenever that comes up, but excluding things like the occasional 60 Minutes or Behind the Music or even NBC Nightly News parodies. Sound fair? -- JCaesartalk 16:20, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- Fair enough. Like I said, I didn't really know enough about Amber or Terrell - I was going off what I could guess based on their entries on the SNL Archives. As far as news shows, I agree. Brokaw, Williams (if/when someone does him three or more times as a major appearance), Rather, et al. deserve their own pages, but not necessarily NBC Nightly News or CBS Evening News. -- JCaesartalk 20:43, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- I really like your guideline of whether or not the sketch specifically calls for a character, and I think I'll run with that. So Sherry is not a character, nor is Skeeter. Out of curiosity (having never seen sketches featuring either of these characters, myself), would Amber or Terrell and his wife qualify? Amber at least always appears on reality shows; and Terrell seems to be a random audience member for monologues, but I don't know how heavily they're used for the sketches. If it's not a big deal, I can take down the Amber page. It's not like it's brimming with great info, anyway. Incidentally, I think we can use a similar guideline for recurring sketches, particularly TV show parodies. Something like requiring that the sketch have some sort of basic format or hook and recurring characters, which would allow things like Looks at Books or Hardball or The MacLachlan Group whenever that comes up, but excluding things like the occasional 60 Minutes or Behind the Music or even NBC Nightly News parodies. Sound fair? -- JCaesartalk 16:20, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- Haha. Best of luck with S30. If ever I can get my hands on S6 or S10, maybe I'll have my own agony to match yours. Incidentally, have you given any thought to what sorts of guidelines we want to establish for what constitutes a "character"? I'm running into the problem with Sherry from S1. It was a name Newman used a lot; usually whenever she played a Valley Girl, in whatever context and in vastly different situations and roles, but sometimes just a name she needed to use to give a character a name when she had to give one. So should I count all uses of the name Sherry for a character played by Newman, all Valley Girl characters named Sherry, or just ignore the thing altogether? P.S.: Oh! I also see you've got Samurai Futaba as a character page you intend to create. If you've got your heart set on that, of course, be my guest, but as I'm doing S1 and have a picture all saved for the character and have already filled in several appearances by him, would you rather I take on that one? -- JCaesartalk 15:08, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- P.S.: In regards to one of your other points, I'd also already intended to create separate pages for both the Saturday Night Live Band and the Not-Ready-for-Primetime Players as separate entities from the show, in the same way I created a page for Monty Python as separate from Monty Python's Flying Circus. -- JCaesartalk 21:38, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I agree 100% on the specials. Whenever you get brave enough to tackle the project, let me know and we can coordinate efforts. As for breaking out pages, I see your point about unwieldy Presidents, but there is also the problem of having an unwieldy "Recurring Sketches" page. The SNL Archives (which list all impressions, including one-off impressions done as cameos) have literally hundreds of impressions pages, plus hundreds more character and sketch pages, although their threshhold is two appearances for characters/sketches. Even excluding the one- or two-time impressions and two-time characters, we'd still be looking at a very long "Recurring Sketches" page, indeed. As much as possible, I'd like to collapse those with redirect pages set up to avoid confusion. By the by, I also disagree with some of their characterizations of what constitutes a "character." For instance, they include all uses of a certain name by an actor as a "character," even if the "character" has different accents/costumes/make-up and completely different roles from sketch to sketch. (e.g.: "Steve Bushakis" or "Mr. Bushakis" seems to be a name John Belushi sometimes used for random ethnic/loutish/criminal characters in sketches with very little connection between them, in much the same way Monty Python used to recycle names like "Arthur Jackson" and "Eric Praline." But the Archives all list that as one character, and they include his "first appearance," in which he was a clean-shaven criminal with Belushi's normal haircut and speaking voice in a modern-day prison, as well as his "second," in which he was a moustached, curly-haired, ethnic proprietor of a 1920s restaurant.) There may be a similar problem with "Terrell" and "Terrell's wife" in more modern SNL, although I don't know enough about the character to fairly judge. I contend, however, that there is a certain set of circumstances under which a character is defined, and name and actor alone are not enough. In other examples, we may need to work out some restrictions on impressions. For instance, when you filled in the sketch "State of the Galaxy," you did not link the George Q. Bush impression and Hillary Clintron impressions to G.W. Bush's and Clinton's respective impression pages, and I agree with your judgement. The SNL Archives, however, do not agree. Nonetheless, I removed references to that episode from the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush pages. (This exclusion would also mean that Brian Williams has not yet been portrayed three or more times by any one actor on SNL.) These are just examples off the top of my head of some of the sorts of issues we may want to go over in plugging in impressions and characters. -- JCaesartalk 21:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Page creation
Hey in the future if someone creates a link to a new page it's probably a good assumption that they're working on creating that page too. I had the Emmy page all ready to go and went to save and you'd already created it a few minutes earlier. A lot of wasted effort all around. Now maybe you started creating the page before me without making the link in which case it's probably a good idea to create the link first in the future to show that someone is working on it. Not a huge deal but just for future reference.--The-jam 12:50, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Adult Swim schedule
I think I just came up with a way to help you maintain the Adult Swim schedule by using the Calendar function, like we use for the What's On data on the main page. I setup Adult Swim/Calendar where you can see how you would show the same thing you currently show on the Adult Swim page. At that point, instead of manually adding and removing new/old schedules, you would simply add a new schedule on the appropriate date and then it would automatically change the calendars for you. I figured since you are the one that maintains it that I would make sure you were OK with it before I implemented it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. -Joltman 12:10, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
- Sure, go for it. If it'll make things easier, I've got no objections --IndieRockLance 00:14, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
